[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Well said.

As to Wilson upsetting Congress' decorum by calling Obama a liar, Nancy Pelosi et al need to be censured for booing President Bush when he spoke to Congress. Oh, but wait, they're hypocrites so I guess it's okay if THEY speak out.

Yes, I don't know why the Democrats are so proud of themselves about being so polite while Bush bullshitted them on the Iraq War. Maybe if one of them had yelled out "Bullshit" then a few hundred thousand lives would have been saved.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes, I don't know why the Democrats are so proud of themselves about being so polite while Bush bullshitted them on the Iraq War. Maybe if one of them had yelled out "Bullshit" then a few hundred thousand lives would have been saved.

They booed him quite adamantly on a couple occasions.

I know you and I have chatted about this in the past, but the record shows that in 2002 the loudest voices calling for war were Democrats who were denouncing Bush's 'inaction' on Iraq.

The vote supporting the invasion also speaks to that truth.

[Wada]

Muntadar al-Zaidi said it best.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yes, I don't know why the Democrats are so proud of themselves about being so polite while Bush bullshitted them on the Iraq War. Maybe if one of them had yelled out "Bullshit" then a few hundred thousand lives would have been saved.

They booed him quite adamantly on a couple occasions.

I know you and I have chatted about this in the past, but the record shows that in 2002 the loudest voices calling for war were Democrats who were denouncing Bush's 'inaction' on Iraq.

The vote supporting the invasion also speaks to that truth.

Well they weren't the loudest voices. But they certainly stood in line. As did the media. I won't forget that gutless show by the Democrats for a long time.

[Zipperfish]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Of course they're against it RR. Why do you think for so many years, so many Canadian health professionals have headed south? That's where the BIG bucks are.
Now, those big bucks are potentially being threatened. Now, instead of Rolls Royces, those poor American doctors might have to make do with BMWs

Most were against it here in Canada as well. I've heard conflicting reviews in teh US, which indicates to me that polls are being run by self-interested parties loading the questions to eleict the repsonse they seek.

It's not teh doctors that stand to lose a whole bunch though. It's teh health insurance industry and the banks that have most at stake here, through things such as the trading market in life insurance claims.

More on Death Bonds:

New York Times, Sept 5, 2009

$1:

Wall Street Pursues Profit in Bundles of Life Insurance
After the mortgage business imploded last year, Wall Street investment banks began searching for another big idea to make money. They think they may have found one.

The bankers plan to buy “life settlements,” life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash — $400,000 for a $1 million policy, say, depending on the life expectancy of the insured person. Then they plan to “securitize” these policies, in Wall Street jargon, by packaging hundreds or thousands together into bonds. They will then resell those bonds to investors, like big pension funds, who will receive the payouts when people with the insurance die.

Goldman Sachs has developed a tradable index of life settlements, enabling investors to bet on whether people will live longer than expected or die sooner than planned. The index is similar to tradable stock market indices that allow investors to bet on the overall direction of the market without buying stocks.

....

But the industry has been plagued by fraud complaints. State insurance regulators, hamstrung by a patchwork of laws and regulations, have criticized life settlement brokers for coercing the ill and elderly to take out policies with the sole purpose of selling them back to the brokers, called “stranger-owned life insurance.”

In 2006, while he was New York attorney general, Eliot Spitzer sued Coventry, one of the largest life settlement companies, accusing it of engaging in bid-rigging with rivals to keep down prices offered to people who wanted to sell their policies. The case is continuing.
.....

Life insurance in teh US is a $26 trillion dollar a year industry. And what is standing between the banks--flush with their recently trillion dollar bailout--adn the death bond market? That's right--helath care reform.

[commanderkai]

poquas poquas:

There was a good story on one of the American news channels last night. It explained how the “Tea Party” groups while protesting a policy have been a perfect opportunity for the racists to vent at the same time. There was no question that the signs being held up in the video were racist and had nothing to do with a protest about medical insurance.

And anti-war protests brought out the Truthers, Communists, and a bagload of other crazies. This is a fact of any large gathering. Once again, why are we judging protests by the crazies? So far, I haven't seen riots of the like of WTO meetings when you have a large gathering, so it seems those crazy racists aren't having a huge effect by getting all those "whites" tea party protesters to start lynching blacks in the crowd and walking along the street.

If that started happening, then yes, there's an issue.

[travior]

Don't you know that all of us from South Carolina are racist? We all want the clock turned back to 1861 and have the confederacy back.

A white male cannot speak about another race or gender without being villified, and if we DONT talk about them we are accused of avoiding the subject and are villified anyways.

At least we know that there were enough people out there that were not racist to vote the idiot into office. My dislike of the man has nothing to do with his skin colour (do we all forget that he is half white?) but my disagreement with his positions and policies and his knuckle dragging in the mid-east and Europe apologising for aiding those in need that have been our allies for decades and for catering to the Hamas and other groups that are bent on the destruction of Isreal and for renigging on so many campaign promises that even some of the blacks are complaining.

That is why I dislike the man.

[travior]

That is the first I have ever heard of Death Bonds. That is nuts!

[Thanos]

travior travior:

That is the first I have ever heard of Death Bonds. That is nuts!

And it is an inevitable result of a health system that's based on a profit margin. Instead of the deaths that haven't happened (and won't happen, as any logical functioning adult should be able to recognize) under the so-called "death panels", someone should really tally up the number of actual deaths that have already happened over the years when for-profit insurance companies deny coverage to people who are sick.

[Pseudonym]

travior travior:

Don't you know that all of us from South Carolina are racist? We all want the clock turned back to 1861 and have the confederacy back.

A white male cannot speak about another race or gender without being villified, and if we DONT talk about them we are accused of avoiding the subject and are villified anyways.

At least we know that there were enough people out there that were not racist to vote the idiot into office. My dislike of the man has nothing to do with his skin colour (do we all forget that he is half white?) but my disagreement with his positions and policies and his knuckle dragging in the mid-east and Europe apologising for aiding those in need that have been our allies for decades and for catering to the Hamas and other groups that are bent on the destruction of Isreal and for renigging on so many campaign promises that even some of the blacks are complaining.

That is why I dislike the man.

At least we have Jim Clyburn still hanging around to remind us of our racism and make sure we keep to the straight and narrow, eh?

[Pseudonym]

xerxes xerxes:

ridenrain ridenrain:

I just heard on the news that most of US doctors oppose the Obama health care bill.
I guess they must all be racists or manipulated by those neo-con racists too.

And what news source would that be? Your ass?

Here's the American Medical Assoc. endorsing one of the House Bills with no caveats whatsoever.

http://blog.healthcareforamericanow.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/715-house-hsr-letter_rangel-ama-endorsed.pdf

It was a study performed by Investor's Business Daily, independently of the AMA. I never did see the complete breakdown of the study, but it had somewhere between 60 and 70 percent of the doctors surveyed who indicated that they were opposed to the health care reform bill currently in Congress.

EDIT: ...and I found a link: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=337993973850542
I'm not sure if this is what RR was talking about, but it looks like it would match up. I don't like to attribute too much authority to any survey/study/statistic without good auxiliary evidence, but take from this what you will.

[OldChum]

Pretty simple why Doctors oppose it money, gee they will get paid closer to the what most may make . The insurance industry has it pretty good too denying coverage after you pay them for years , the Canadian news caster who passed of cancer recently. His coverage was denied part way into his illness as he had become to expensive . it is a good system they have when you really look at it .