[andyt]

Well again, the are still allowed for non-recreational purposes by people of all races. Gathering plants or what have you would fall under that.

In BC, at least, we regularly stop all logging during high fire hazard time, and even forest travel is banned, ie not just ATV's but cars as well. I mean we used to go glacier skiing in the Summer, but sometimes couldn't go because we couldn't get to the glaciers.

[andyt]

Smoke from the fire reaching Florida, can be seen from space.

[Thanos]

Good column here about the "karma" nonsense all the hate-filled dilettantes are using. Where are Neil Young and David Suzuki these days anyway?

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... -all-of-us

$1:

We are all hypocrites. And the consequences of that hypocrisy, of our lifestyle, will fall, unpredictably, on the few. Fort McMurray is not responsible for this. And I don’t mean that in a crude mathematical sense. Of course, it’s easy to note that the oil sands account for a fraction of a fraction of global emissions; that even if Canada were to introduce drastic climate change measures, the effect on a global scale would be utterly nominal. (Which does not excuse inaction, of course.)

No, I mean it in on a philosophical level. We are all responsible for climate change. Fort McMurray simply produces some of the product we all consume. That does not make the town uniquely morally culpable for the consequences of climate change. Quite the opposite. It means Fort McMurray is doubly its victim.

There is no karma to be found, here. Those fires seem to have largely missed the actual oil sands. Instead they hit homes and regular businesses as those same oil sands work camps have welcomed thousands of fleeing residents desperate for food and shelter.

It’s easy to imagine oil workers as caricatures; quick-buck Hoosiers driving monster cars. That’s a lazy picture to paint from the comfort of downtown Vancouver or Toronto, free from the uncomfortable sight of gruelling work shifts, dirty hands, and families.

The people of Fort McMurray are just people, trying to make a decent living. They will continue to mine the oil as long as we continue to demand it; best guesses suggest that demand will remain steady for 30 to 50 years at a minimum. Chastising oil companies and their employees is a bit like breathlessly hammering about the evils of drug cartels while on a chatty cocaine binge. It demonstrates only a callow mind happy to displace moral discomfort. The people who give you the lifestyle you enjoy don’t deserve your contempt.

And on the better side of humanity, the non-sneering kind, Lac Magantic in Quebec is putting together donation packages and offering to send help, including fire-fighters if they're needed.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... e29896260/

Vive le Quebec!

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

Good column here about the "karma" nonsense all the hate-filled dilettantes are using. Where are Neil Young and David Suzuki these days anyway?

Hiding, waiting. They aren't as stupid as the other idiots, coming out too early.

They are waiting for the right time to call for Fort Mac to not be rebuilt.
Too early for that.




..

Seems the convoys have been suspended, fire shifting direction again.

Does it seem the fire fighting efforts to protect the city are.. underwhelming ?

[2Cdo]

The St Louis Blues gave half the 50-50 winnings the other night to aid Ft Mac.
Has anyone heard if the Raptors or Blue Jays will do the same?

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

And then there's this bs.

Oil and gas companies are stepping up big time by continuing to pay people till the next pay cycle, and some are giving $2500 on top of that for disaster expenses. After that, I doubt the goodwill will continue.

But people were losing their shit a couple weeks ago over a $10b defect. Now they are losing their shit because it's not $20B or $30B?

^This.

I may not care for the Dippers, but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

How about Brian Jean and his fear mongering over the cuts to the wild fire budget, now he's sleeping in a tent.

That might be relevant IF the Dippers new budget had passed, but it hasn't even had second reading (Committee of Supply yet).

ALL the funding for firefighting is still coming from LAST year's budget (and the interim supply bill they passed at the beginning of Spring Session)...but don't let little things like facts stop you from venting.

[bootlegga]

martin14 martin14:

Just stuff, until it's your stuff.

I have stuff that is completely irreplaceable.

Would not want to lose it like these people have.

No, stuff is still just stuff, but the shock the evacuees are going through from losing almost everything they own is palapble and not something I would wish on my worst enemy.

IMHO, if you have something that you feel is irreplaceable (like my kid's baby photos), I suggest investing in a fireproof safe (like I do) or making sure you take it with you. Between that and insurance, you'll replace that which can be replaced and save that which can't.

[Delwin]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

The St Louis Blues gave half the 50-50 winnings the other night to aid Ft Mac.
Has anyone heard if the Raptors or Blue Jays will do the same?

I watched game 2 of the Raptors Series, the NBA mentioned doing a Redcross Donation-Match thing but if I remember right, they had it capped at 50k. The Blues did what they did because of Scottie Upshall who is from the area.

[2Cdo]

Delwin Delwin:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

The St Louis Blues gave half the 50-50 winnings the other night to aid Ft Mac.
Has anyone heard if the Raptors or Blue Jays will do the same?

I watched game 2 of the Raptors Series, the NBA mentioned doing a Redcross Donation-Match thing but if I remember right, they had it capped at 50k. The Blues did what they did because of Scottie Upshall who is from the area.

It's still an amazing gesture from an American team to a Canadian community. And I'm not calling out the Raptors or Jays, I just haven't heard if they were doing anything.

As an aside I witnessed the "Ugly Canadian" in person today. When asked if she wanted to donate to the Red Cross for Ft Mac both her and her husband laughed and made some very ignorant comments. What I said to them isn't printable, but did manage not to go to jail.

[Freakinoldguy]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Delwin Delwin:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

The St Louis Blues gave half the 50-50 winnings the other night to aid Ft Mac.
Has anyone heard if the Raptors or Blue Jays will do the same?

I watched game 2 of the Raptors Series, the NBA mentioned doing a Redcross Donation-Match thing but if I remember right, they had it capped at 50k. The Blues did what they did because of Scottie Upshall who is from the area.

It's still an amazing gesture from an American team to a Canadian community. And I'm not calling out the Raptors or Jays, I just haven't heard if they were doing anything.

As an aside I witnessed the "Ugly Canadian" in person today. When asked if she wanted to donate to the Red Cross for Ft Mac both her and her husband laughed and made some very ignorant comments. What I said to them isn't printable, but did manage not to go to jail.

To bad physically administered incentive isn`t an option for behaviour modification anymore.

[Delwin]

Well, I don't want to sound crass and I don't know a lot about how insurance claims work since thankfully I have never had to make a claim but from what I have been reading payouts for insurance claims could be as high as 9 Billion. This will leave the area flush with cash and likely lead to a construction boom. I think the money being received right now is extremely important to meet the immediate needs of the evacuees but things like supply chain and getting the right products there right now are most important. The other thing is to start making the early insurance assessments and applying pressure to get these payouts to the victims as soon as possible.

The insurance money will likely be multiple times larger than all of the donations and once that aspect of things start to roll out it will alleviate a lot of the pressure on the community and ease the turmoil.

That isn't to say the donations aren't going to help but the real relief will be dependent on how quickly the insurance companies act.

Fort McMurray fire could cost insurers $9B, BMO predicts
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/fort-mc ... -1.3568113

People need to pressure them to step up.

[Alta_redneck]

This horse trailer showed up in town yesterday, I think it's legit but no one was donating, to bad there are some scumbags out there scamming people.

[Alta_redneck]

Our media is sitting out on highway 63 wanting to interview anyone that comes out of town because no one is allowed to enter YMM. But yet these guys from the NY Times say they slipped through the cops blockade.

Inside the Fort McMurray Scorch Zone, Signs of Hasty Retreat and Nature’s Cruelty

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/world ... paper&_r=0

[2Cdo]

Delwin Delwin:

Well, I don't want to sound crass and I don't know a lot about how insurance claims work since thankfully I have never had to make a claim but from what I have been reading payouts for insurance claims could be as high as 9 Billion. This will leave the area flush with cash and likely lead to a construction boom. I think the money being received right now is extremely important to meet the immediate needs of the evacuees but things like supply chain and getting the right products there right now are most important. The other thing is to start making the early insurance assessments and applying pressure to get these payouts to the victims as soon as possible.

The insurance money will likely be multiple times larger than all of the donations and once that aspect of things start to roll out it will alleviate a lot of the pressure on the community and ease the turmoil.

That isn't to say the donations aren't going to help but the real relief will be dependent on how quickly the insurance companies act.

Fort McMurray fire could cost insurers $9B, BMO predicts
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/fort-mc ... -1.3568113

People need to pressure them to step up.

Not crass but until the money shows up its going to be tough for a lot of people. A good friend of mine lost everything except his truck and a couple suitcases for him and his family. He doesn't know if he has a job to go back to let alone a home. I just sent him a couple hundred to help right now but that will be gone quickly.

[Brenda]

You know 2Cdo... despite your hard ass attitude.. you are such an amazing guy.
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